11.6.08

The $500 Dollar Gamble

A recent post at the Coveted and subsequent conversations with the ever darling Lady Coveted prompted the gears in my mind on a problem that we've probably all encountered, though probably have long forgotten.

In this post, I noticed a designer referenced who has recently had bad dealings through her once primary company. This designer worked primarily as a corsetmaker, and a once well regarded one at that. In the last few years, however, she has taken on more work that she could support; she has failed to deliver goods to customers for over two years, has not provided refunds or products, nor attempted to communicate with her clients (there are cases where she is constantly changing her phone number and email as a means of preventing their efforts to reach her).

In the meantime, she has begun to create other forms of garments under a different company name; her feedback is small, though positive, and her garments continue to run hundreds of dollars. While those who work, shop, and participate in the corsetry communities may know of her scandal and shame, there are hundreds and thousands of independent buyers who will never hear the stories.

We are in a time where independent commerce is happening more and more frequently, and through means that only insure a limited amount of "insurance" for buyers and sellers alike; it makes me ask myself how accountable, as buyers and sellers, are we? The ability to change an online identity is remarkably easy, though your past and history will always haunt you and catch up to you.

Site like Etsy, Ebay, and Paypal insure a certain amount of protection for those buying and selling merchandise through them. However, for many items, delivery may fall outside of their designated time frames. For example, a custom-made corset is a time-consuming piece, one that often may not reach its owner for two months or more. Because of the process, it means that Paypal protection become voided. I imagine for many of the custom made wedding gowns and other garments available on Etsy, this is a similar story. How does a buyer protect themselves when a large sum of money is involved, and their rights as buyers have a limited shelf life?


Some questions I ask you...
What are our obligations to each other, as sellers and buyers, to one another? If we are privy to information such as this, do we have an obligation to let other potential buyers know, and how do we communicate this to one another in a manner than is helpful and professional? What are our obligations to the seller-- should we be open to letting them try to rebuild their name? If so, do we allow this to be so when they still have outstanding debts to clients? How do we rectify these situations, when the independent marketplace has become global and therefore the laws of one country do not pertain or protect business in another?


I'm very interested to hear your thoughts and experiences on the subject...

7 Comments:

Blogger WendyB said...

Man, it's hard to cope with a small business, but you need to be honest. I would refund money/beg for more time/whatever for a customer rather than screw her over. I do way more for customers than I have to really (I often fix things for free when it's the customer's fault it is broken). I don't understand someone who runs and hides.

June 11, 2008 11:45 PM

 
Blogger The Clothes Horse said...

Honesty is definitely necessary. It's frightening a bit at all the places you can be deceived especially in online purchases. I bought one item online (a vintage dress via eBay) and it got ruined--the seller informed me, refunded me and sent me the ruined dress. I don't save sellers because I'm intrested in items not where they come from, but I saved her as my favorite seller. It was just so honest and forward and unexpected.

June 12, 2008 9:56 AM

 
Blogger Ashe Mischief said...

Wendy, thank you for responding! I was hoping to hear your thoughts on the subject, as you seem to have a great business ethic. Like you, I'd rather do all in my power to help a client/customer rather than rip them off. So I definitely understand the "how can they do this?" mentality.

Rebecca, it's totally frightening how much commerce we do online, but how easily we can be decieved! While Etsy seems to have a very optimistic and trusting attitude, there is so much room for deceit, especially on eBay. I'm really glad to hear of your experience with that one seller; it's amazing how much of an influence one person alone can have on us and how we deal with things.

June 12, 2008 11:54 AM

 
Blogger Lara said...

I've sold some things myself, not handmade, on Amazon and eBay, and if a buyer says it arrived broken or didn't arrive at all and I can't prove otherwise, I'll give them a full refund. It's not worth arguing, and I think of how I would feel if I were them.

I've bought a lot of handmade things on Etsy and independent websites and never had any problems. Maybe I've been lucky. I do read feedback pretty thoroughly on Etsy and eBay though.

Once, a few years ago, I bought a dress from a very well known eBay seller, and it never arrived. I informed the seller and she said if she found another dress like it, she'd send me one. No offer of a refund or anything. I didn't leave any feedback. She had thousands of feedback, all positive. I felt pretty bitter about that and have wanted to buy from her again, but never did. When I think about it now, I think she should have done something to make it up to me, since it's not my fault it was lost in the mail. I ended up losing $80 or so for the dress, plus shipping fees, and getting nothing.

So, that was a bit of a ramble, but you can see how bad it is to piss customers off. If I wasn't so nice, I would have left her bad feedback and told everyone I know.

June 12, 2008 1:24 PM

 
Blogger jennine said...

oh dear, i've been going over this for a while, it's hard because on one hand, the internet is anonymous, but on the other, if you cheat, you'll get caught.

just today, i saw a dress that was advertised as vintage purchased by a blogger (thinking it was vintage) but actually, it was new, and a costume. i initially came across the dress through a series of mean comments on my blog, and dismissed them as crazy, but it turned out they were telling the truth.

just not in a nice way.

i don't want to bring trouble, and i do the best i can... i'm going to remove the seller from my post, because i felt really bad when i saw the blogger wearing a dress i knew was not vintage. it's a terrible feeling.

June 12, 2008 2:18 PM

 
Blogger Ashe Mischief said...

Jennine, I think there's definitely something to be said about how the information is shared-- I think that is why I initially emailed you about it. I didn't want to leave slanderous comments for others to read, but I definitely felt it was something that should be brought to your attention.

I think it's horrible when people leave poor comments about a post-- it makes you feel horrible like you've done something wrong, when in many ways, both parties are just trying to provide a service. One party wants people to know they have had bad experiences, while the other wants people to know that there are great products to be found.

However, I think that is AWFUL what happened to the blogger who purchased the dress. Similarly, there are lots of sellers on eBay who do the same with corsets; they advertise it as being a high quality corset (and use images that are from individual designers) and then provide the buyer with a flimsy piece lined with plastic.

Jennine, for what it's worth, I think I've decided not to post the seller in one of the "25 for 25" posts. Because for as much as I love the piece, and the way they look, I don't feel that I can promote her pieces, knowing what I know.

Lara, that is so horrible about the one seller! And I agree, you were absolutely too nice. Did she offer the option for insurance when shipping it? Or was it a matter of change in law/policies because you're in Canada and they may have been elsewhere?

June 12, 2008 2:28 PM

 
Blogger Lara said...

Did she offer the option for insurance when shipping it?

I don't think she offered insurance to Canada. She was in the US.

Looking at her shop now, it says she doesn't offer refunds for non-insured items lost in the mail. I guess it's just a conflict in policies. If there's no tracking number or the tracking says it didn't get there, then I'll provide a refund if asked.

I think it's just best to always use insurance and tracking numbers when you sell online, and I'm definitely going to do that from now on (after having to refund $30 to an international buyer on eBay because the package was not trackable).

June 12, 2008 2:48 PM

 

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